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    Here is my stance on Trump...for the haters and the lovers lol:

    Donald Trump knows his business, well. He knows how to make money and use/lean on the system to make sure his business stays afloat (referring to bankruptcy claims, etc.). He also knows how to win a popularity contest. Donald Trump is a smart man, he knows how to speak so that people will listen and get on his side by explaining his point of view and how it makes sense. He can manipulate words like the best of them, and also use them bluntly to rip his competitors and other nations down. This all comes from watching the debates and clips of his speeches, it's not rocket science.

    In the age of social media, you NEED to be a speaker of this caliber. You need to be witty and, at times, bully your opponents to get ahead. The CONSERVATIVE party has a pile of non-politicians running for president? Anyone ever think about that? Our country wants to elect a president based on a popularity contest.

    I'm a registered republican and have voted for Republican candidates in all but one presidential election. I'd vote Trump, not based on his words alone, but simply because he's willing to make a change and ruffle the feathers of our government. Trump would work for the people, by the people.

    I saw that picture comparing him to Hitler, which is ironic because there is one just like it for Hillary. What I don't like about Trump is he has yet to win the atheist vote. He's too busy trying to say things that the main stream media is too sissified to say. "Ban all muslims, bomb the bad guys, build a wall, obamacare sucks, derp de derp" What about going to Mars? How about bumping up funding to find life in distant solar systems outside of our own? Let's increase spending on cancer and disease research. Instead our primary focus is on WWIII with a bunch of third world countries, spending billions of dollars we don't have. At the end of the day, this is a war that is thousands of years old and based around religion. Religion lol. I've seen magic acts more believable than any religion. You know what my religion is? Work, family, friends, and cars amirite.

    As for Muslims and banning them, that's absurd. I understand a need of sorting out the bad apples, but maybe we need to ramp up our background security protocols. I view ISIS and other radical Islamic groups the same that I view the KKK and Neo-Nazis with Christianity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donfrye View Post
    Personal human adjudication of those with no paper trail. Acquaintance review. Tribe/neighborhood research. Known associations. There are a million ways to learn about someone's motivations. It just takes research and review.

    No system will be 100% but using FBI profilers and interviewers to assist in interviewing would be a huge step forward.

    Also, productive is a subjective and ridiculous term. I'm not really going to address that other than to say that insisting they be productive insinuates WE will find them a job in which they can produce. That displaces someone else and puts the responsibility on us. NO, just no.

    Quotes should be used in line with their intent. Quoting something without context, where you lack understanding of the quote, is pretty foolish regardless of what meme from Facebook you choose. If you think historical context of the person making the quote has no meaning, you are ill-equipped to use those quotes. Essentially, you are saying, "I don't care what he meant or was even talking about. It means this because....2015, America, fuck you."
    I agree,
    I've read how the recent San Bernardino shooter wife was interviewed and the questions asked are ridiculous.
    Our military in Afghanistan did the same collecting Intel.
    To me it seems kinda crazy to do this for one sect of refugees. Not to mention having a beuracracy agree on the method.

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    Here are my thoughts.

    Trump has marketed himself more effectively than any other politician in at least a generation or two. Trump's popularity is multifaceted and still growing, and his supporters are very loyal. Yes, he says things other politicians don't. He conducts himself in a manner that would sink any other politician. He is very popular with single-issue voters and relatively uneducated folks deep in red-state territory, and he is also very popular with Republicans who think this country is going to hell in a hand-bag. These types of people are quite easy to win over, all you have to do is say what they want to hear and show outward signs of strong leadership qualities, which Trump certainly does.
    These Trump people, who tend to be mostly working class, have felt helpless for quite some time now and mostly have not participated in the recent "economic recovery" that has sent the DOW average soaring in recent years. They work for their money rather than the other way around, and for more than a decade have watched jobs evaporate, prices for necessities soar, wars becoming a continuous fact of life, debt consuming us, and social unrest and division becoming rampant. They don't want a Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Christie or any other candidate that is already bought and paid for by big GOP donors who orchestrated the corporate takeover that caused their best friend to lose his job last year. For the last few election cycles the GOP has, one way or another, slammed the door on any candidate that they feel won't play ball with their Neocon agenda.
    I have a theory that many of these Trump supporters are playing the "anybody but who the GOP establishment wants" game, and Trump is well aware of that and has tapped into it with tremendous success. Chances are, most of these people do not agree with everything Trump says, but the Donald is gaining tremendous trust and legitimacy with them because he's willing to bring these topics up and take a stand to begin with.

    I think it's rather refreshing. This is the most interesting primary season in decades for one reason, and that reason is Donald Trump. The GOP has ignored voters and has represented hate, division and corporatism for far too long now, and I hope these seeds of destruction continue to grow and thrive in a party that lost it's way more than 20 years ago. They just quit being conservative.

    I find nothing conservative about spending a trillion dollars a year on the military and continuous wars.
    I find nothing conservative about constant demagoguery on abortion or gay marriage or other subjects that don't really matter and should be left to the states.
    I find nothing conservative about inflating our money supply and debasing our currency so big banks can continue to fleece us of our hard-earned money on a regular basis.
    I find nothing conservative about giving big oil and it's army of speculators on Wall Street every single thing they want so they can continue to artificially drive oil prices well past the threshold of pain for many Americans.
    I find nothing conservative about continuing to kill and imprison millions of people for possession or use of certain plant extracts.
    I find nothing conservative about the government having unfettered access to my private conversations or sensitive personal data or correspondence.

    These are all things that the GOP has been supporting and implementing at all levels of government for decades now. For conservatives, the Democrats' platform of high taxes and more government control and regulation of everything isn't the answer.

    Regardless of Donald Trump's handful of outrageous positions of issues, he represents an opportunity to millions of voters to break the special interests' deathgrip on the only major party left in this country that purports itself to be conservative. Conservatives feel betrayed by the GOP, and they'll take anything that isn't the same old neocon establishment corporate shill at this point.
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    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysz2893 View Post
    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysz2893 View Post
    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysz2893 View Post
    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysz2893 View Post
    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    100000% accurate. Couldn't be said any better

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    So my advice is to not worry totally on the election of the President but to get out to the polls come election time and dethrone the ones that have sat for far too long in seats of too much power and influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaysz2893 View Post
    My basic take on this matter.. all of the candidates are useless and will get nothing done until the house and Senate are cleared out.

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    While this is correct, the presidency is the most visible and powerful office in the land, and therefore the easiest route from which to effect change. I'd wager that more than 75% of Americans pay more attention to the president and what he is doing more than they do their own congresscritter, mayor, state rep, or anyone else. The president sets the stage and has a LOT of leverage to steer and shape policy, particularly foreign policy. The special interests have known this for many decades, hence why they purchase the presidency from both parties every cycle. The powerful business interests that control this country realized a long time ago that in order to become elected, you had to be on the ballot. So far, they have been able to very effectively control who is able to make it on the ballot of both parties by injecting lots of money throughout the nomination process.

    The reason Trump's campaign is so disruptive is that they can neither kick him off the ballot (he'll go run third party) nor can they exercise effective control over him. No other politician in decades has been able to threaten the special interests' control over the political process like Trump has been able to, and that's why the Republican establishment is running so scared. Jeb Bush has even hinted that he might support Hillary if Trump were to win the GOP nomination.

    I'm a pretty hardcore Libertarian, but I also have some mercantilist beliefs that US foreign policy should be written to favor Americans. I've felt betrayed and let down by the GOP pretty much all of my adult life. I feel like I've been lied to for years by them about how they support personal liberty and fiscal responsibility. It's time the GOP either change course or be destroyed or marginalized, and I feel Trump is the only tool capable of accomplishing this, for better or worse.

    I also have a feeling that if Trump were to become president, he would govern very differently than he is campaigning. I've met Trump face-to-face briefly one time in the Atrium of Trump Tower. Much nicer and warmer persona than you'd ever imagine. Being in the real estate development business myself, I've also known several people who have known him personally and dealt with him on several occasions and all have told me that his demeanor in private or business settings is level-headed, calm and pragmatic; very much different than what he does for the cameras.
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