2016 Shootout Rules and Date open discussion

**firebird_1995** · 10-17-2015, 07:40 PM

So if you do that to mod na, then going by the way the classes are modeled (a nitrous mod pa car could pull the tank and run mod na) your new mod pa class would be absorbed into the current outlaw class. That would leave a massive gap between the guys running stock bottom ends on a plate kit in espa.

**dawdaw** · 10-17-2015, 08:14 PM

No.im not saying that mod.pa should be allowed the same. Just mod na only

**firebird_1995** · 10-17-2015, 08:47 PM

That could potentially limit someone from being able to run both mod classes. We want to bring car count up. Ultimately you guys are the ones that have to live by these rules though. Just make sure you like what you decide. I would personally like to lock them from changes for 3 years at a time

**96LT1355Z28** · 10-17-2015, 08:53 PM

Are there that many NA guys not running a 21* or 23* head? I know there's bigger, better heads out there (18* RFD, etc.) but I feel like the guys running them aren't using an LT1 block. To my knowledge the fastest NA car (that's been to the shootout) is Mike V. and he's still using a 23* head. Maybe @gump can chime in here but don't the NHRA stocker guys still use a 23* head? I'm not opposed to an all out NA class but I don't know that it'll draw anymore cars. Maybe change some of the weight penalties for the NA class but I really don't feel the base weight is unrealistic. I'm a fan of keeping the rules where someone can come and run multiple heads up classes using weight and tire size and the limiter. Not sure if this helps!

**dawdaw** · 10-18-2015, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by firebird_1995

That could potentially limit someone from being able to run both mod classes. We want to bring car count up. Ultimately you guys are the ones that have to live by these rules though. Just make sure you like what you decide. I would personally like to lock them from changes for 3 years at a time

True Chris . That's a good point. I.agree

**gump** · 10-19-2015, 05:44 PM

Stock and Super Stock have to run the stock valve angle +/- 1 degree.

As far as the rules go, I think that the Mod N/A rules were good the last time that I ran with you guys. Throwing all that weight on for computer has made it a non-starter for me.

**firebird_1995** · 10-19-2015, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by gump

Stock and Super Stock have to run the stock valve angle +/- 1 degree.

As far as the rules go, I think that the Mod N/A rules were good the last time that I ran with you guys. Throwing all that weight on for computer has made it a non-starter for me.

What if the base weight stayed the same but the stock pcm guys were given a weight break?

**dawdaw** · 10-19-2015, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by gump

Stock and Super Stock have to run the stock valve angle +/- 1 degree.

As far as the rules go, I think that the Mod N/A rules were good the last time that I ran with you guys. Throwing all that weight on for computer has made it a non-starter for

me.

Daren what you planning on building now that.gump is in.retirement?

Would be cool to see you do.something radical that isnt limited by stock/comp elimanator rules

**Badhawk** · 10-19-2015, 06:00 PM

Yes would love to see you come back Daren, and if you would leave a little late on the tree on purpose : ) maybe I would have a chance.

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**Dan** · 10-19-2015, 07:03 PM

Question about street stock.

Theory has it 94 and 95 LT1s got hardened pushrods. If I refresh my top end and/or whole motor, would I be able to run hardened pushrods in my 97 and still qualify for street stock?
Thanks.