LPP Vendor Question

[LPP]

Still one piece of the puzzle and honestly, the customer should not need to do all this research. What needs to be answered is how the customer can differentiate the product they received from another when it comes with different labeling and packaging.

Perhaps this info should be put on the website? All I know is setting customer expectations is paramount. I sell headlight components and if someone orders said brand, this is what they get. I would expect to be read the riot act if I sent a differently branded product and rightfully so.

Since the vendor hasn't provided more than his word on the subject, I'm not surprised at the responses here.

These are MY headers LPP is Mine. I made them with XS and you can contact them and they will tell you so.
I contacted Henry at XS yesterday and he said a couple things and you can contact him also
Number one thing is there are really a few big things wrong in the postings
they don't even use 304 in the Imported items its 409stainless and Identifued and stamped and can be tested by a magnet and some is 201 stainless also so the Darknight is just pulling sus numbers from the sky they would never even say that
and they said that the mufflers and process they use is proprietary to them.
You say things like I did not do R&D but I did - in the USA and it was on my car for this community to bring you headers that are better than others at a better price that have better power proven installed by me and others on this site and youtube for years. I will not be called a thief or liar.

[popo8]

Great work Dan!!!! Please feel free to send him a link to the site as well. That way he can clarify anything that LPP has not been able to, due to consumer doubts.

IM HOPING that at this point, thjs is some acceptable proof, as I know that Dan is not associated with either company...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

[Dan]

Great work Dan!!!! Please feel free to send him a link to the site as well. That way he can clarify anything that LPP has not been able to, due to consumer doubts.

IM HOPING that at this point, thjs is some acceptable proof, as I know that Dan is not associated with either company...

LTXtech.com IS my drug...

Sent them a link, hopefully this clears everything up..

[blackbirdws6]

These are MY headers LPP is Mine. I made them with XS and you can contact them and they will tell you so.
I contacted Henry at XS yesterday and he said a couple things and you can contact him also
Number one thing is there are really a few big things wrong in the postings
they don't even use 304 in the Imported items its 409stainless and Identifued and stamped and can be tested by a magnet and some is 201 stainless also so the Darknight is just pulling sus numbers from the sky they would never even say that
and they said that the mufflers and process they use is proprietary to them.
You say things like I did not do R&D but I did - in the USA and it was on my car for this community to bring you headers that are better than others at a better price that have better power proven installed by me and others on this site and youtube for years. I will not be called a thief or liar.

When did I say you did not do any of the R&D or anything else related to your effort with these headers? My comments have been pretty clear through this whole discussion. Why would your headers be labeled XS power when others have been labeled LPP (like the ones I have on my own car)?

If you feel you are being picked on and folks are out to get you, well welcome to the internet and business in general. My hobby is not to bring down anyone or a company. I have better things to do with my time. I am a small business owner myself and understand how negative comments can affect someone's business. I posed a few questions which would hopefully lead to an answer one way or the other. In my opinion, you've decided to be overly defensive.

With that said, I hope you can provide sufficient support for these being what you say they are.

[Darkknight039]

This is means nothing as a consumer and as a buyer and nothing was addressed from post #144. Again how is any customer just expected believe and just intuitively know any of this?! And nothing was mentioned at any point that this business was affiliated with another company that makes parts overseas and that it would be shipped in thier boxes and tagged with thier plates with their paperwork, invoice, stickers etc! No explanation and no proof or documentation of anything. And screenshots from his partner at XS means what? Posting a response of somebody else' response from one of the companies in question is definitive proof? The set that was being offered on eBay has been bought or taken down and FTG Motorsports has also removed it from their site. The magnet test is worthless and a Q&A lab or even a customer is not going to use a magnet test as definitive proof of anything as there are different grades of SS a magnet will not stick to including 300 series. I have tried to be civil and open minded and it's obvious that he does not have that mindset. Lastly, and even regretfully, why couldn't this just be handled privately when I gave every opportunity? This is unbelievable to me as I have never encountered a situation even remotely close to this. In fact, at this point...
Fine, I'll concede, but I am not going to be called a liar either or a worm or accused of being a secret employee of another header company trying to sabotage other header businesses as you seem intent on trying to convince everyone or even yourself. People can view the responses and do their own research and judge for themselves.
I'll concede again, I will keep these headers! Whether they are what they are claimed to be or whether they are something else, I'll never know and certainly never be able to prove it if I try to sell them. I won't, nor could I tell a buyer these are LPP headers made of 321 in Georgia when everything I'm giving them is XS Power that is known for also make parts overseas except my assurance and good word. Not going to happen. Not to mention these were ordered on July 3rd and didnt arrive until July 23 and the car has been without exhaust since July 8th so I need to get it moving.
I'm now just disgusted and regretful with this experience, the issue and how it was handled. As am sure your going to say the same thing vice versa. It could have been addressed diplomatically and in a civil and private conversation and this thread would have never happened.

[LPP]

. but I am not going to be called a liar.

and I am not going to be called a liar and a thief and someone that does not do R&D!
and I explained myself now 11 times about the tags.
they explained about the tags also
I will include a note on my website as well. Bottom line is these are my headers and I made them with XSpower and I did it for the better for the community for people like you and Mikey and others who actually have better performing headers with a lifetime guarantee at a better price.
I am here for the forum and other forums and I am not making multiple user names and creating ideas or tatics as such to create any such issues otherwise. I am a respected person on the forum. The analogy I used was in fact the same thing as pot calling a kettle black. You cannot call me a liar and say the things that you insinuated.
If you are not hired by someone to do these things to smear my name then I apologize. I retract that.
I am not here to toss written insults. I was angry at what you said. I worked hard at these headers. The points were addressed.
I also talked with Henry and we will include lpp stickers in the box as well.
These are my headers and these are top notch and I and lots of people and the reviews and you tube reviews show it also.
Thank you and have a nice sunday I really want to enjoy the rest of it.

[firebird_1995]

Thats probably a good idea. By explaining the situation on your website the buyer will know what to expect up front when they receive the item. I would be willing to bet people would pay slightly more to have your LPP tags welded on, even though they are made by XS Power, just to distinguish them from other brands.
A lot of consumers, myself included, will pay more for American made products, even if the quality is equal or a little less in some cases. It's a good feeling to know you are helping support American workers.

[shownomercy]

Assuming they are truly USA made. Still waiting on some shred of proof other than word of mouth.

[firebird_1995]

Assuming they are truly USA made. Still waiting on some shred of proof other than word of mouth.

Yea I can understand that. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for that nor difficult to provide.
I also understand the need to farm out the manufacturing. Example being the water pump spacers I make. I don't have the equipment to mill them, so I have someone do that. He also makes other car parts. If I had them shipped directly from him to a buyer they might think feel they got a different product other than what I sold them because of the unfamiliar packaging. The difference I see here is the company he uses also makes products overseas so it leaves some speculation as to whether the product purchased is made here or there, especially when it shows up with unfamiliar packaging and markings.

Again I'll say that this issue would be non-existent in the future with a disclaimer about the process.

[shownomercy]

He subcontracts to XS/SSAC, who then sub contracts to a mystery place in GA.

When I google Kooks, I can street view their manufacturing plant, its pretty clear cut.