LPP Vendor Question

You don't respond fast?
You didn't respond at all!!
This all could have been settled privately over personal email and this post would have never existed. Hence which is why I came here to try to get some answers. Evidently, others had the same concerns when there headers arrived in XS Power packaging, paperwork, stickers and plates welded on the headers. You assured me they were 321 stainless and made in Georgia and never answered my last 2 inquiries about why then are they labeled XS Power and shipped out of NC. I looked up and contacted XS Power, 304 stainless and made in China, any issue through another vendor needed to be addressed with that vendor which I attempted. Now you call me a liar and say that XS Power says it never happened and I am working for another header company in an attempt to hurt your business. That is absurd! I don't have the time nor the interest in pursuing such an act. I can't even believe you are considering a conspiracy within the automotive performance header parts industry. This isn't The DaVinci Code or the JFK assassination. Let me me say my opinion on headers just for the sake of argument.

Kooks - Way over priced.
Stainless Works - Way over priced.
OBX - Crap!
Pacesetter - Ok, heard decent reviews but not for me and not stainless.
Hooker - What I have now but they are shorties and starting to rust and I think the collectors are bottlenecked.
TSP - Heard good things but they are kinda priced really cheap and they are made in China.
LPP - Great price, 321 stainless and made in Georgia. But showed up in XS Power boxes with XS Power plates. Called XS Power and their headers are 304 stainless and made in China. What the heck?! Contacted vendor and he assured me they are 321 stainless and made in Georgia.
Ok, but why does it say XS Power and shipped from SSAutochrome in NC?
No answer.
Emailed you again.
No answer.
Went to LTXtech and put up a post because I'm worried I got scammed.
Now I am accused by vendor that I'm fabricating a story as part of a conspiracy to destroy your business.
Now we are at this point.

So please tell me what would you think and do after all this?!

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Originally Posted by Darkknight039

THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!
I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up "QUOTE]

Dear Mr. Batman -
Xspower does not make GM headers overseas and everyone knows this - this is where there is a disconnect. I am done with saying this. They are 321 and made here in the states in the USA in GA and they are shipped from NC.

Now - How dare I call you a liar? But it is ok for you to call me a liar and a thief? OK ? where is the logic? and Yes - the points are relevant. I
t has been done before to KOOKS, ARH, JXspower, ( Henry at Xs told me once! ) he told me jBA also - they all brands get paid bashers - its not uncommon #research .. #secretshoppers . Yes it is true. The point is anyway - people can say " think " feel " " I BET " these words that are on this forum being thrown around - like the one above from 5point7 - " Don't know if I'd believe it "
Well why not? would 5point7 believe Kooks makes headers for ARH sometimes? would 5point7 believe that jigs are shared sometimes ? I have heard that also. I am not in the loop but I have heard things since I have developed some items.

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No I can just read in between the lines.

Still skirting the "made in teh USA" questions I keep posing.

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Originally Posted by Darkknight039

THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!
I contacted XS Power and that is EXACTLY what the told me!! All headers are 304 Stainless and made in China and I had to take my issues up with YOU!! Now, evidetntly, XS Power wants to deny that ever happened?! How dare you call me a "liar and a paid basher" and that this is a "set up "QUOTE]

Dear Mr. Batman -
Xspower does not make GM headers overseas and everyone knows this - this is where there is a disconnect. I am done with saying this. They are 321 and made here in the states in the USA in GA and they are shipped from NC.

Now - How dare I call you a liar? But it is ok for you to call me a liar and a thief? OK ? where is the logic? and Yes - the points are relevant. I
t has been done before to KOOKS, ARH, JXspower, ( Henry at Xs told me once! ) he told me jBA also - they all brands get paid bashers - its not uncommon #research .. #secretshoppers . Yes it is true. The point is anyway - people can say " think " feel " " I BET " these words that are on this forum being thrown around - like the one above from 5point7 - " Don't know if I'd believe it "
Well why not? would 5point7 believe Kooks makes headers for ARH sometimes? would 5point7 believe that jigs are shared sometimes ? I have heard that also. I am not in the loop but I have heard things since I have developed some items.

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I feel like your deflecting by talking about semantics and it's all irrelevant. Read every post, not one time did I call you a liar and a thief despite your talk of semantics. And several times I even said I want to try to keep an open mind to resolve this, I don't want it turn into a bashing thread, I even asked the moderator to delete or remove any posts on here that could even slightly be considered offensive or adversarial and ironically you come on here do EXACTLY THAT to me. I even said I wished you would just respond to my emails, not posts, my personal emails.
Yet, here we are.

I'd be just as mad as the op if I bought your headers and they came labeled as another company. If I purchase your product I want your name on it simple as that. If you have xs make them to your specifications that's fine, but don't you think they should have lpp name plates on hand to weld on when someone orders your headers? What if he wants to resell them, he can't list them as LPP's because the name say xs. So he's out 125ish from the start and then has to sell them lower than the cheaper new xs header.

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Originally Posted by 5POINT7

I'd be just as mad as the op if I bought your headers and they came labeled as another company. If I purchase your product I want your name on it simple as that. If you have xs make them to your specifications that's fine, but don't you think they should have lpp name plates on hand to weld on when someone orders your headers? What if he wants to resell them, he can't list them as LPP's because the name say xs. So he's out 125ish from the start and then has to sell them lower than the cheaper new xs header.

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Thats another point to mention. The process of how XS Power is involved. That was never explained on the LPP website, when I placed the order, when I received tracking information or even in the box. Wouldn't that be extremely important to let any buyer know to avoid any situation such as this?

And then he goes on to say that everybody knows XS Power does not make GM headers overseas which, from what I found, is untrue. They make an LT1 long tube header made of 304 stainless manufactured in China. They are listed on eBay and by FTG Motorsports.

And aside from all that, I am not "everybody" and you can't just assume that everybody "knows that."

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Originally Posted by LPP

I did respond. I respond as fast as I can. I am sorry I am not the fastest responder.
I really don't understand why you don't see my point - someone says " I THINK " this ... and " I THINK " that .. and " I THINK " this..
look what 5point7 just wrote = (DONT KNOW IF I BELIEVE IT .) see above- then he makes a theory

But, I cannot say I don't believe that you and the other person are not out to twart me? Hired by OBX ? Of course I am just making an ANALOGY but do you get my drift?

It is very one sided. I have done nothing wrong.
I have been on LS1 AND LT1 FORUMS for more than a decade.
I own these cars.
I have made mod's to the headers so we can have better HEADERS AT BETTER PRICES - I AM THE GOOD GUY HERE.
I am not a fly by night company. I don't answer emails fast, yes. I do what I do and I give to you guys the best product and I stand behind it.
There are posts being made saying in essence I am a thief and a liar. I am not.

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How are we, the customer, supposed to know that we actually received the product we purchased through you- then drop shipped directly from XS Power- when we see claims that manufacturer makes the same product to different specifications for different venders, but labels & packages them the same! How do you NOT see our point of view on this? How is XS Power reassuring YOU the vender, that the headers they are sending YOUR customers actually differ from the eBay headers and headers they sell when they are labeled and packaged the same?

Help me understand why a manufacturer would make headers to your specifications- make the same product to other specifications for other venders- for a LIMITED LT1 F-body crowd and can maintain the price point these are selling at? How many LT1 F-Body headers do you really believe are sold annually now?

I just wanna see some cool pics of the manufacturing plant in GA. :(

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Originally Posted by shownomercy

I just wanna see some cool pics of the manufacturing plant in GA. :(

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OP says LPP told him the headers were made in a plant located in Stone Mountain GA. I live less than an hour from there. If LPP & XS Power is willing to set up a facility tour with the manufacturing plant, I would be glad to go and that could easily clear this all up.

I think you will be wasting your gas, but, I anxiously await response from LPP.

If SSAC/XS Power make everything in the USA, then its gonna be a huuge manufacturing plant. Which, then is odd since its not listed anywhere online as a business in GA.

The shell game, continues.