Torque head

[shadowbandit]

So this has been out a while and am wondering if people are happy with it that do a good amount of track duty.

[SSlowBoat]

So this has been out a while and am wondering if people are happy with it that do a good amount of track duty.
Met a guy at a car show with a 94 shit brown caprice, ellwein stroker, and torque head who drove up from maryland. Hes a bracket racer and car is consistent 11's on motor. He said he loves it.

Its a 24x setup, whats not to like? Only complaint i would have is the pcm is repinned by them, so if u brick a computer, they have power of demand and price.

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[atlantadan]

Only complaint i would have is the pcm is repinned by them, so if u brick a computer, they have power of demand and price.

Yeah, that's the rub right there. I like to have a spare PCM laying around because I've had them turn into doorstops through a glitch in TunerCats.

[SSlowBoat]

Yeah, that's the rub right there. I like to have a spare PCM laying around because I've had them turn into doorstops through a glitch in TunerCats.
Well this would be hp tuners for a 24x pcm, but same thought process. You cant just go to a junkyard and get a spare, u have to get one from torquehead thats repinned

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[superspirit]

Or repin your harness and run a standard 0411. That is the only way I'd consider it.

[atlantadan]

If they'd have come out with an adapter plate, that would have made this kit a no-brainer. Sockets for the original leads on one side and then leads for the 411 on the other. In their defense, they do have a 5 year warranty on their PCM and they say that they'll replace it even if it bricks in a flash - but the fact remains that your car is down until you get a new PCM from them. If you wanted to actually buy a spare, its like $500+ just for the unit.

[SSlowBoat]

If they'd have come out with an adapter plate, that would have made this kit a no-brainer. Sockets for the original leads on one side and then leads for the 411 on the other. In their defense, they do have a 5 year warranty on their PCM and they say that they'll replace it even if it bricks in a flash - but the fact remains that your car is down until you get a new PCM from them. If you wanted to actually buy a spare, its like $500+ just for the unit.
And if they suddenly go out of business, ur stuck repinning it anyway. And their full kit costs as much as a efi connection 24x kit.

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[Flyinz]

Im sure they would sell you a spare PCM to have, as a spare. I think it comes with a 5yr warranty as well.

[anniversaryss]

Not sure how it works if you brick a pcm but this is right from their website



Finally, we always 100% test each PCM on our test bench to make sure all inputs/ouputs are functioning within specification. We are pleased to provide warranty on this PCM and should it ever fail then simply send it back for a new one.

[superspirit]

Im sure they would sell you a spare PCM to have, as a spare. I think it comes with a 5yr warranty as well.
A warranty is worthless if the company goes belly up.

Just saying

[SSlowBoat]

A warranty is worthless if the company goes belly up.

Just saying
Atleast someone else sees my point...

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[Flyinz]

Than buy a spare.

[SSlowBoat]

Than buy a spare.
Thats not the point.

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[anniversaryss]

If your so worried about it get the efi connections 24x. You can use stock pcm etc.
I don't forsee torqhead going belly up anytime soon

[SSlowBoat]

If your so worried about it get the efi connections 24x. You can use stock pcm etc.
I don't forsee torqhead going belly up anytime soon
Ill do ya one better. Ill keep the OPTI and OBD1 pcm....shit tytech went 4.90's in the eighth with an opti

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[93z28de]

...man dont bash a good thing its good to see new life come into the lt1 market ....just because you don't see eye to eye don't mean you gotta be prickish about it

[Flyinz]

There are flaws with any setup you go with.

[SSlowBoat]

...man dont bash a good thing its good to see new life come into the lt1 market ....just because you don't see eye to eye don't mean you gotta be prickish about it
Im not bashing it. Im stating facts. These are facts. If you would like me to be a prick i can be.

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[harner]

For what it's worth, I went 24x because I was spending a lot of money on a setup, and was either going to spend 350 on a Delco opti and try to find a good tuner or get a brand new custom and kit catered to my needs and goals for a couple hundred bucks more, plus have anyone plug in and give it a decent tune.

Looking back, I really wanted the platform (LTx) to be something it wasn't. I love seeing companies do new things with a legacy platform, and I love seeing people make power while being the underdog. However, Tubby has a point, a stock opti will get the job done and eliminate the cost factor of 24x altogether. Maybe not anymore, but at one time those delco opti's were considered a 100k wear item, no?

Now if someone made a GOOD opti (mitsu sensor or better/re-engineered) with a lifetime warranty for $100, it would really breathe new life into this platform.

/rant

[Injuneer]

The issue of manufacturer longevity is a valid one. Look at the guys that had problems with the Delteq unit - hot new concept (not really) with a black box reading the Opti cam position module and a Northstar waste spark ignition setup. Sold it for 5 years, all the time promising he (JC Hyde) was about to release an updated model that completely eliminated the Opti, and telling people that if they bought the first gen product, they would get in the front of the line at reduced cost for the "no more Opti" model. Never materialized.

Then one day, he totally drops off of the internet.... website still in existence, but no responses of any kind to contact from the outside world. No more replacement parts available, no tech help available, etc. Unfortunately, Hyde had done something similar when he worked for Electromotive, and developed the "Super Direct Ignition/Opti-Eliminator". Yes, really eliminated the Opti, but had a few "inherent defects". Sold about 20-25 units. I had one of the first ones. Drove from NJ to Manassas, VA to show him my install and give him feedback, install details, etc.. Later, when I had a problem with the unit, he never responded and had left Electromotive.

I'm definitely not suggesting that Torqhead is in any way, shape or form like JC Hyde/Delteq. I have total respect for what they have done for the LTx. Just pointing out that this is a fragile market, and thinking about the "what ifs" is not being a prick.

[SSlowBoat]

Fred is exactly correct here and this is my fear as well. That's why I'm merging the 2 kits so to speak , and plan on doing the TH basic kit, but using a factory pcm, and re-pin the connectors to 411 pcm, and adding the necessary wiring for the cam, crank, and coil packs, and possibly use TH coil strips. I just don't like the idea of them being the only source for replacement com if needed. It may very well never be needed, but, playing the devil's advocate, what if they disappear in 3 years, as lt1 is a niche market and I don't believe it's sustainable for long at the rate LS stuff is taking over the world. What will you do then? Exactly what I'm going to do NOW, the first time, and should I ever need to replace my pcm due to a failed upload or whatever, I just slap another readily available unit in, drop the tune, and I'm back on the road.
You and fred both just reinforced my point. Noy knocking torqhead, just a possible fact, anything can happen to businesses.

Just like the guy making whipple manifolds for lt1's in canada. He just disappeared one day. Atleast he never sold any

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[popo8]

And thats all why Im trying to do it all with what the factory gave us. VIVA LE OPTI!

LTXtech.com IS my drug...
OWNER/ADMIN

[blown383ta]

And thats all why Im trying to do it all with what the factory gave us. VIVA LE OPTI!

LTXtech.com IS my drug...
OWNER/ADMIN

I'm throwing in the towel on opti' s for good. Sorry, way too many failures personally. Between no starts, cutting off when hot, poor driveability issues, rotors that come apart, caps that arc internally, coolant finding its way inside a new sealed opti, living south Florida the condensation builds inside no matter what after you shut the car down overnight. I even upgraded my non vented with msd cap and vent harness, which did help, but I've had it. Makes the lt1 unenjoyable, unreliable, and I'm just done with all that. Not to mention, no one really wants to tune an lt1 anymore, much less one with boost AND spray.
The future is clear enough for me now, and that's at least going with LS management and coil per cylinder ignition. And my next build will likely be an LS, so, I might as well test the waters and finish what I started with my "little old lt1", so I can go wax that a$$ on some of these big head LS owners that think we ain't got nothin for them!
It'll be nice to actually drive my car again and not worry where it's going to leave me stranded, without any spark at least anyways. Breaking stuff is part of the game, but when you can do an opti in less than an hour, you know you've done way too many. End of rant, sorry, lol

[harner]

I'm throwing in the towel on opti' s for good. Sorry, way too many failures personally. Between no starts, cutting off when hot, poor driveability issues, rotors that come apart, caps that arc internally, coolant finding its way inside a new sealed opti, living south Florida the condensation builds inside no matter what after you shut the car down overnight. I even upgraded my non vented with msd cap and vent harness, which did help, but I've had it. Makes the lt1 unenjoyable, unreliable, and I'm just done with all that. Not to mention, no one really wants to tune an lt1 anymore, much less one with boost AND spray.
The future is clear enough for me now, and that's at least going with LS management and coil per cylinder ignition. And my next build will likely be an LS, so, I might as well test the waters and finish what I started with my "little old lt1", so I can go wax that a$$ on some of these big head LS owners that think we ain't got nothin for them!
It'll be nice to actually drive my car again and not worry where it's going to leave me stranded, without any spark at least anyways. Breaking stuff is part of the game, but when you can do an opti in less than an hour, you know you've done way too many. End of rant, sorry, lol

I really don't want to continue derailing this thread. TH seems to be putting out some quality products and I applaud anyone breathing life into an otherwise stale platform.

With that being said, I agree entirely with blown383ta in regards to the ol' opti. It's been a PITA since 1992 and everyone on this site knows it. It's an overpriced part and a pain to replace. My particular build, 24x swaps were hot when I pulled the trigger on a kit. LS coils and PCM on an LT1 is just an excuse to try to make the LT1 something it's not. Having owned modded LS vehicles for almost as long as I've owned an LT1 car, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I knew full well that my mildly worked heads and custom grind would likely make less than a cam only LS1.

The LS PCM allowed my tuning options to open significantly, which was a major driver to the project, as well. For what I paid for the 24x kit, I could have purchased a complete 5.3 or even 6.0 with harness/pcm.

For those that choose to stick with the LTx platform, more power to you! I'm all about seeing the underdog win a race or throw down big numbers on a dyno. TH and variants have really provided some interesting tech into this platform.

[Injuneer]

But the question remains.... how does Ty Tech build the fastest/quickest LT1 on the planet with an Optispark ignition?

[SSlowBoat]

But the question remains.... how does Ty Tech build the fastest/quickest LT1 on the planet with an Optispark ignition?
Fast xfi i believe

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[Blackbird6]

Torqhead makes a nice kit and i bricked my 1st pcm with jet dst and they swapped me out another free of charge. Switched to hp tuners and everything has been good. I like not having a rpm limit of 7200 and waiting for an opti to come apart. If you guys are worried about them going out of business you can repin harness and get a 411 from bone yard. Good luck gents.

[camz2894]

I'm throwing in the towel on opti' s for good. Sorry, way too many failures personally. Between no starts, cutting off when hot, poor driveability issues, rotors that come apart, caps that arc internally, coolant finding its way inside a new sealed opti, living south Florida the condensation builds inside no matter what after you shut the car down overnight. I even upgraded my non vented with msd cap and vent harness, which did help, but I've had it. Makes the lt1 unenjoyable, unreliable, and I'm just done with all that. Not to mention, no one really wants to tune an lt1 anymore, much less one with boost AND spray.
The future is clear enough for me now, and that's at least going with LS management and coil per cylinder ignition. And my next build will likely be an LS, so, I might as well test the waters and finish what I started with my "little old lt1", so I can go wax that a$$ on some of these big head LS owners that think we ain't got nothin for them!
It'll be nice to actually drive my car again and not worry where it's going to leave me stranded, without any spark at least anyways. Breaking stuff is part of the game, but when you can do an opti in less than an hour, you know you've done way too many. End of rant, sorry, lol

I know this post is older but saw it and wanted to reply directly. I am in south florida as well and having the same issue with the opti as I did before doing the LTCC conversion, a year later after doing it. I'm believing it's because the opti is not a delco and is of poor quality to begin with. That being said, I have the option of replacing the opti with an original new delco or just go 24x with the essentials kit from torqhead since I have the coils mounted already. In your experience living down here have your issues with optis at all been with an original delco? Thanks.