PCM For Less

[tarheelsoldier]

How long do they usually take to get it done and sent to you? I am having them email me the tune since I have TunerCats. Just curious.

[chile]

Depending on how busy he is. You could always ask him.

[bigtoyz]

It took a few day before I got mine...... but he will get it to you as soon as he gets it done. Bryan I think is the one who does the LT1's

[green96ta]

Bryan is usually pretty quick with the email tunes

[popo8]

Noooo, it depends, BRYAN used to do the LT1s, but when I sent mine out... it was done by KEVIN or KEITH... it was not impressive and was WAY off....

BRYAN did however communicate with the new tunner alot to tune as asurrogate .

[chile]

I think bryan has separated from them. Because one website is pcm of nc. And the other is pcmforless. You can email bryan directly.

[CALL911]

Bryan is still with them and still does tuning. Bryan is IMO probably the best LT1 tuner out there.

The Problem:
Bryan does not always do the tuning anymore. He may, but he may not. Keith is now doing a lot of tuning, and the guy is bad news. Long story short, I have trusted Bryan and PCM's for less for years. Bryan wasn't available this last time I needed a tune, so I figured Keith would be fine since he also worked with Bryan. The dude was concerned with just giving me a dyno number and taking my money. Could care less for drivability or a good tune. The car barely drove back home (died several times, because he did no driveability). This was apparent when my car got off the dyno as it ran like crap just trying to drive away initially. He basically told me it was my throttle body, and not the tune, and there was nothing he could do. After limping the car home, I got in touch with Bryan. He told me it wasn't my TB, and gave me a free mail order tune, and it was much better. I later got it dyno tuned again from someone local, but my point is that you need to verify up front who is doing the tune. Bryan did my initial mail order tune, before I drove it to Keith for the dyno tune. If Bryan is doing the tune, you'll be fine. If Keith is doing it, beware.

I would still trust Bryan anytime to do the tuning. But because he does a lot of other things for the company, a lot of the mail order tunes are going to Keith. Keith is a talker, and will tell you what you want to hear. But he is just there to make $ and could care less if its not a quality tune.

I hope this helps.

[tarheelsoldier]

It does. I will go to Alvin here soon. I had to use PCMFORLESS for the initial tune and it works wonderfully compared to my old tune. Idles fine and everything. But when i get my taxes i am going to go to Alvin.

[Badbird_96]

Mine came from pcm4less and it didn't have any of the tune that I requested done to it. Wasn't real pleased.

[Madman337]

I just ordered stuff for mine today from Moates and I am going to start doing my own tunes so wish me luck.

[Spartan7]

I wasn't happy with my tune from them either. It was always rich, and I had 2 trouble codes since the first day I put it in that were never there before. I don't think they disabled my CAGS either. I'm going with a local dyno tune next time.

[popo8]

I wasn't happy with my tune from them either. It was always rich, and I had 2 trouble codes since the first day I put it in that were never there before. I don't think they disabled my CAGS either. I'm going with a local dyno tune next time.

NOTHING is ever as good as a DYNO tune. but let me say.. make sure the person doing your dyno tune... KNOWS LT1s...

I KNOW I KNOW, so many tuners who have no clue will say that they can tune one they can tune them all>>>> BULLSHIT!

Ive had my car on so many different dynos... and its amazing how two dyno tuners, who tune 4 digit LS cars and FORDS, could not get my car right!

Till... I found a place that understood LT1s... they tuned out my stumble, and corrected other issues, so that my car is making the most it has ever made.... Including being more efficient that it is making more boost with bit 227 heads than it did with stock ported polished heads (which when you think about it should have shown more boost due to more restriction.)

[chile]

My tune currently is pretty good but I do plan on getting a stop tune once the motor is done the break in period.

[CALL911]

It does. I will go to Alvin here soon. I had to use PCMFORLESS for the initial tune and it works wonderfully compared to my old tune. Idles fine and everything. But when i get my taxes i am going to go to Alvin.

Alvin only does the 93 LT1's, so unless you converted your 95 to the 93 style computer chip, then Alvin is not an option. You can contact PCM's for less, and tell them you only want the tune done by Bryan, and then he will be the one doing it.

[tarheelsoldier]

Well. I went ahead and went with PCM4Less for now. I live about 15min from Alvin. I am about 1.5 hrs from Tick Performance. So I might run up to one or the other. PCM4Less made my car run smoothly which it hasnt since I have owned it. So they did a decent job.

[bigtoyz]

I called there with some questions about my tune and if I remember correctly it was Keith and he BS'ed way through the question I was asking.

[tarheelsoldier]

From the sounds of it, PCMforLess shouldnt have been my choice.

[CALL911]

Keith sucks, but Bryan is really the best. So it totally depends on who you are dealing with.

[biggriff]

I dealt with Alvin and he did a great job, he is about to re-tune it for the cam and other goodies

[Spartan7]

NOTHING is ever as good as a DYNO tune. but let me say.. make sure the person doing your dyno tune... KNOWS LT1s...

It was done by PCM for less. Needless to say, I won't be going back.

[beaver50]

Im trying to find themIs it pcm4less or is it pcmforless or what is it??

[popo8]

If ur looking for a mail order tune... u need to contact bryan herter... the original owner. Unfortunatley kevin or keith is now doing the tunes... and hes not as good...

[SSlowBoat]

I wouldn't let pcm for less touch anything. Moe or nate

[popo8]

Bryan was a part of my cars successful tune so i have faith in him... the other one. no way!

[beaver50]

No I dont wont a mail order tune.I need to send my PCM off and get it tuned.

[popo8]

That is a mail order tune . Lol

[chile]

Bryan herter is the man for lt1.

[popo8]

Im gonna suggest MoeHorsePower for u.

[mikey4play]

Just got a tune from Keith (pcmforless) not very impressed. I have a bad off idle stumble he told me just deal with it:(

[chile]

Just got a tune from Keith (pcmforless) not very impressed. I have a bad off idle stumble he told me just deal with it:(
Ouch that sucks.

[popo8]

Just got a tune from Keith (pcmforless) not very impressed. I have a bad off idle stumble he told me just deal with it:(
Yes... he sucks!

[Mav383]

+1 moe
Pcmforless is trash tune


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[casey20000007]

I just got my 24x tune on my PCM, I tried to call moe but he didn't answer he was going outta town and by the time he called back I had already sent my PCM off :( but when Dyno time comes I'll be making a trip to moe


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[SpeedJunkee]

Just got a tune from Keith (pcmforless) not very impressed. I have a bad off idle stumble he told me just deal with it:(

No offense, but sounds like you didn't read this thread. Many people have given warning about Keith doing the exact same thing IN THIS EXACT THREAD. Not dealt with him personally but he sounds like a douche.

[mikey4play]

No offense, but sounds like you didn't read this thread. Many people have given warning about Keith doing the exact same thing IN THIS EXACT THREAD. Not dealt with him personally but he sounds like a douche.
None taken. He did a basic tune when the car was stock (probably hard to mess that up) He is local to me and talks a great game on how good he is and has tuned hundreds of LT1 cars. Was trying to keep my car OBD2 not a lot of options out there from the searching I have done. Looks like a OBD1 swap is in my future already purchased a computer and had it modded. I see a Moe tune in my near future :cool:

[popo8]

If ur not 2 modded... stay obd 2. Esp if u have emissions inspection where u are. My boosted set up was finicky and the obd 1 swap made it easier to tune (less parameters to mess with). Thats why we swapped mine.

Moe is def the man!

[SpeedJunkee]

None taken. He did a basic tune when the car was stock (probably hard to mess that up) He is local to me and talks a great game on how good he is and has tuned hundreds of LT1 cars. Was trying to keep my car OBD2 not a lot of options out there from the searching I have done. Looks like a OBD1 swap is in my future already purchased a computer and had it modded. I see a Moe tune in my near future :cool:

I don't think it's the OBD2 that's killing you. It's Kieth. I have heard Bryan Herter is very good, or Moe. Mike Verdolotti is also a very good tuner. You have options. Don't ever skimp on the convienience of a bad tune for the drive or wait for a good one. You can have the best parts or car in the world, but it will run like crap if not tuned well.

[mikey4play]

Not going to hold my breath on getting anywhere with this issue. I do plan to call Bryan Herter on Monday and share my experience and dissatisfaction for Keith`s customers service. Keith wanted me to bring my car up today to do some dyno pulls. He was not concerned at all on my drivability issues just kept telling me I would be happy with my HP numbers he was getting out of the tune, (dont mean shit to me if I cant drive through town at 25 mph) I do not trust him at this point to do any pulls. I already fell for this mod LoL32722

[SpeedJunkee]

I don't know jack about tuning, but even I know the WOT stuff is the easy part. The fact Keith does the simple stuff like that and then blankets the rest of the bad tune with "just drill a hole in your TB" and then having the audacity to ask you to show off you dyno pull numbers for the sake of his tuning name just goes further to show you what a tool bag he really is.


Good or luck with getting it figured out.

[popo8]

He did a mail order for me once as well. Horrible.

[Fastbird]

I have a,very good friend who's car was notching but issues after Keith was done with it, and like others, his recommended fix was to drill a hole in the tb blade. This is definitely a guy to avoid.

[Flyinz]

We had to drill a tiny hole in my TB blade as well, but I've got a Monoblade TB. It helped the engine idle a lot smoother.

[jcsws6]

My car barely idled after Keith did the tune. I'm on my third tune, second motor with Solomon and the dude is awesome! Actually works with you and wants it to run with zero codes.

[SSlowBoat]

Ask Cahall how bad his vette ran, I mean didn't run, with a kieth pcm for less tune. There's a reason it's called pcm for less. I've been hearing alot of good about jeff creech lately. If anyone remembers the lt1 bird on pinks vs the honda, jeff built that car.

[Fastbird]

If you can get your PCM For Less tune done by Bryan Herter, the owner, you're good. I wouldn't knock a VERY established company based off the reputation of one poor employee who people should know to steer clear of at this point.

Funny you mention Creech. Does the CAM debacle with the wrecked customers Corvette ring any bells? That was his company IIRC.

[MoeHorsePower]

You should never have to drill a hole in the T/B Blades, even a mono blade if its done right.

[popo8]

Agreed^^^


LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[SSlowBoat]

The problem with the tb blade drill thing is ur drilling it in the wrong place. Look at ur stock tb and see where the bleed hole is. Drill it there in ur new tb, the reason aftermarket don't have it is tpi cars don't use it.
Fastbird never heard of that

[popo8]

I wouldnt drill a hole no matter what.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[CPT]

I'll just share my personal experience with PCMFORLESS. My first encounter with them was back in '02 when I had Alvin Anderson do a chip for my '93 Z. Alvin and his work were spot on. The car went 12.0 @ 112 MPH on a mail order tune. When Alvin came to PA for a dyno day, we could only pick up 3 HP with a dyno tune over the mail order tune. This was a CC305, ported head, stock bottom end combination.
Fast forward to last year. I contacted Bryan Herter through private e mail and inquired about doing the tune for our '01 Corvette. He directed me to their site where I filled out the very detailed specification sheet on the car. Bryan even confirmed that he had personal experience with the COMP XER 281 cam (TSP V2). After sending our PCM, I was informed that Keith would be doing the tune, not Bryan. I asked why Bryan wasn't doing it himself and he told me that he's not "hands on" anymore. I will admit that this disturbed me because I had already read countless reports of how bad Keiths tunes were.
When we got the car back together, it wouldn't even run. It was dumping so much fuel, I had raw fuel coming out the exhaust. It also had numerous trouble codes that were kicking CELs. I contacted Bryan to tell him what was going on and he flatly denied that the issues could be tune related. He suggested we change the MAF sensor, which we did. but it made no difference. After checking some data we found that there was quite a bit in the tune that was WAY off. Matt Happel came out and did a base retune in the parking lot and atleast got the car to run, but it was still kicking a MAP code. I again contacted Bryan to let him know about the MAP code and was told it had to be a bad MAP sensor. So, we pull the intake manifold off and replace the MAP sensor. Still has a MAP code..
Finally took it to Horsepower Addicts, here in Delaware and had it dyno tuned and it fixed everything. They also informed me that much of the tune was not even close.
Now, My experiences may not mirror everyones. My biggest issue with the whole deal was them refusing to admit that this could have been their fault. I was even sending Bryan screen shots of the data parameters we were watching on the scanner. In the end, I paid PCMFORLESS $200 for a tune, Matt Happel $100 to atleast get the car to run, and Horsepower Addicts $500 to dyno tune it... Plus the cost of a MAF and MAP sensor. I get the fact that it's not always easy to admit that we may have messed something up. the reality is that nobody is perfect. My issue lies with how you fix the mistake...

[SSlowBoat]

I wouldnt drill a hole no matter what.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...
Did you not drill and tap urs for iac operation?

[dawdaw]

I'll just share my personal experience with PCMFORLESS. My first encounter with them was back in '02 when I had Alvin Anderson do a chip for my '93 Z. Alvin and his work were spot on. The car went 12.0 @ 112 MPH on a mail order tune. When Alvin came to PA for a dyno day, we could only pick up 3 HP with a dyno tune over the mail order tune. This was a CC305, ported head, stock bottom end combination.
Fast forward to last year. I contacted Bryan Herter through private e mail and inquired about doing the tune for our '01 Corvette. He directed me to their site where I filled out the very detailed specification sheet on the car. Bryan even confirmed that he had personal experience with the COMP XER 281 cam (TSP V2). After sending our PCM, I was informed that Keith would be doing the tune, not Bryan. I asked why Bryan wasn't doing it himself and he told me that he's not "hands on" anymore. I will admit that this disturbed me because I had already read countless reports of how bad Keiths tunes were.
When we got the car back together, it wouldn't even run. It was dumping so much fuel, I had raw fuel coming out the exhaust. It also had numerous trouble codes that were kicking CELs. I contacted Bryan to tell him what was going on and he flatly denied that the issues could be tune related. He suggested we change the MAF sensor, which we did. but it made no difference. After checking some data we found that there was quite a bit in the tune that was WAY off. Matt Happel came out and did a base retune in the parking lot and atleast got the car to run, but it was still kicking a MAP code. I again contacted Bryan to let him know about the MAP code and was told it had to be a bad MAP sensor. So, we pull the intake manifold off and replace the MAP sensor. Still has a MAP code..
Finally took it to Horsepower Addicts, here in Delaware and had it dyno tuned and it fixed everything. They also informed me that much of the tune was not even close.
Now, My experiences may not mirror everyones. My biggest issue with the whole deal was them refusing to admit that this could have been their fault. I was even sending Bryan screen shots of the data parameters we were watching on the scanner. In the end, I paid PCMFORLESS $200 for a tune, Matt Happel $100 to atleast get the car to run, and Horsepower Addicts $500 to dyno tune it... Plus the cost of a MAF and MAP sensor. I get the fact that it's not always easy to admit that we may have messed something up. the reality is that nobody is perfect. My issue lies with how you fix the mistake...
Sounds like an experience long ago that I and a couple buddies had with a local tuner here. .. instead of a simple admittance of admitting he was doing something wrong it was the map maf opti etc are messed up .. we ended up learning it ourselves / found another dyno tuner and walla everything works.

[Flyinz]

You should never have to drill a hole in the T/B Blades, even a mono blade if its done right.
At the time, it was our only option. But once we did that, the engine idled perfectly. I wish I lived in TX, so Id have you dyno-tune this car. But living where I do, there isn't much option for OBD1 LTx tuning.

I haven't heard of Creech in years. I wasn't sure he was still around, much less tuning LTx vehicles.

[CPT]

33278

This is one of our customers who's running a Jeff Creech mail order tune. The car has been 10.38 @ 134 MPH on his tune

[Fastbird]

Oh man, I didn't realize that Bryan was completely hands off now. If that's the case, I can't recommend their services at this point. That's a big shame.

My point with pointing out the Creech/CAM corvette debacle a few years ago is that simply EVERY company has it's skeletons. I cannot advise one way or the other on his tuning abilities.

Don't forget we have a guy on here as a sponsor who's doing tuning. Also, PCM of NC is still up and running (Alvin Anderson) who Cahall used a few years back, but he tunes everything now a days. VERY VERY talented guy.

[popo8]

Did you not drill and tap urs for iac operation?
Sure... But not into the blade. Thats just sloppy. Still distributes unevenly. I did it right amd routed it to the channel in the edelbrock intake that feeds each runner.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[SSlowBoat]

Sure... But not into the blade. Thats just sloppy. Still distributes unevenly. I did it right amd routed it to the channel in the edelbrock intake that feeds each runner.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...
I didn't say blades, i said thru the center just like the factory bleed hole and where it is located. I wouldn't drill the blades either, that's the crappy way and just acts like the already messed up iac passage on the back or the aftermarket tb's

[SSlowBoat]

Oh man, I didn't realize that Bryan was completely hands off now. If that's the case, I can't recommend their services at this point. That's a big shame.

My point with pointing out the Creech/CAM corvette debacle a few years ago is that simply EVERY company has it's skeletons. I cannot advise one way or the other on his tuning abilities.

Don't forget we have a guy on here as a sponsor who's doing tuning. Also, PCM of NC is still up and running (Alvin Anderson) who Cahall used a few years back, but he tunes everything now a days. VERY VERY talented guy.
Alvin is good, I think people get messed up, forget names, then think they are going to Alvin but use Keith etc etc. Happened with a kid I know with his 93. I had a Alvin chip in my L98 iroc (cue the mullet) and the car was actually fun (for a tpi)

[popo8]

We had to drill a tiny hole in my TB blade as well, but I've got a Monoblade TB. It helped the engine idle a lot smoother.


You should never have to drill a hole in the T/B Blades, even a mono blade if its done right.


I wouldnt drill a hole no matter what.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...


You may not have... but thats what we were talking about... drilling the blades.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[SSlowBoat]

Can we fly MoeHorsePower to pottstown for a day popo8 and use rays dyno? Would help alot of people out

[popo8]

Sure... he does travel for group tuning...

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[CPT]

Fastbird... Isn't PCM Of NC still part of PCMFORLESS? If not, I'd have no problem having Alvin do a tune for me again if I needed one.

Frank

[Z28pr0jekt]

Perhaps they are, per the PCMforless website "For 93 and older vehicles or unsupported vehicles please contact PCM of NC, INC"

[shownomercy]

Bryan Herter of PCMforless did a tune for me and another local LT1, no issues what so ever.

lulz @ IAC passages, silly LT1 intake breadboxes.

[Fastbird]

Cahall I believe that Alvin split off from Bryan a few years back and he's doing his own stuff now, and Bryan keeps the link up for the 93 stuff because he never did those. But afaik PCM For Less and PCM of NC are two separate companies at this point.

[popo8]

They are two seperate companies... Bryan sold the one to Keith amd created his own spin off of his original company.

As stated before... Bryan does know his shyt...and Keiths tunes SUCK. Stay away from Keith.

Bryan is not "hands off" in fact he still continues to travel and do group tunes.

He was involved as a serrogate tunner along side Marcello at JD's for when my car was tuned.

So if u want Bryan to tune ur stuff u need to be in touch with him and work with him specifically.

Fyi... he is a member here... however not a sponsor. If I had the opportunity to be close enough for MOEHORSEPOWER to tune my car hamds on... id be all over it. MOE is still my number one choice with tuners, but he is just not local enough for me. He has done great mail order tunes for my car in the past... but for optimal results... my car required hands on tuning from someone who knew lt1s... and that was Marcello at JDs.

LTXtech.com is my Drug...

[CPT]

Bryan is not "hands off" in fact he still continues to travel and do group tunes.



The part that doesn't make sense about that is that I contacted Bryan personally to get the tune done. I conveyed my nervousness about Kieth doing the tune with him. That was when Bryan himself told me that he wasn't "hands on" any longer.

[popo8]

The part that doesn't make sense about that is that I contacted Bryan personally to get the tune done. I conveyed my nervousness about Kieth doing the tune with him. That was when Bryan himself told me that he wasn't "hands on" any longer.
Maybe he meant under that name or out of that location???

LTXtech.com is my Drug...